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sometimes anti choice people make me want to get pregnant simply so i can have an abortion

and yell at them

I’VE HAD AN ABORTION AND I DON’T GIVE A SHIT

FOETUS MURDERER AND PROUD!

(p.s obviously i’d never deliberately get pregnant unless i wanted kids but sometimes the thought is really tempting just to piss them off.)

Did I ever mention that it was “pro-life” propaganda that made me pro-choice?

kaitlynthevegan:

Yep.

That ridiculous “Abortion doesn’t make you unpregnant, it makes you the mother of a dead baby!”

A few days after I saw that, I came across the one comparing abortion to the Holocaust.

It was then that I became so incredibly pro-choice.

Guess that backfired on them, didn’t it?

ahahahaha

Can we involve morality in an argument about abortion?

It always interests me when people bring morality up because people’s ideas of morality vary.

While someone can argue that abortion is morally wrong, does their opinion represent the majority? I’m sure the majority of people believe that murder, rape, child abuse etc is morally wrong, and that’s why these things are accepted as morally wrong by nearly everyone.

But we can see how even this differs from culture to culture and person to person - look at honour killings, for example, this still happens and is considered by a proportion of people to be the morally correct thing to do.

Abortion is not so clear cut. It’s difficult to base the legality of abortion on morals, as it’s so split, and besides which, some people may believe that abortion is morally wrong, but don’t want it to be illegal and still want the choice to be available to others. And some people may not even have considered it, whereas other issues are so obvious and prominent.

Even if it’s accepted that abortion is morally wrong, where do people stand on the morality of taking away a pregnant person’s control of their body and uterus, and forcing them through around 9 months of suffering against their will? Is it morally right to take away a person’s rights? Or is it a ‘lesser evil’, but then, who are you to say that? Why is your morality superior to anyone else’s?

I’m personally pro choice. I think it’s more immoral for someone to have a forced pregnancy, which may (probably) damage them emotionally and/or physically as they are the sentient being in this case. But some people might disagree. They might think it’s more immoral to kill the fetus. And there’s no way we can measure who is right and who is wrong, as it’s so subjective.

I think in the abortion argument we should focus on the consequences of if abortion was illegal, the health issues, the objective issues etc.

Because nobody is going to stop having abortions if they need one, no matter what the anti-choice/pro-life morals are. Arguing morality, and arguing God, isn’t going to change the majority of people’s opinions because it’s subjective. Why should an atheist be swayed by the “a child is a gift from God!” argument?

Your morals only make a case if the other person’s morals are in line with yours already.

idk guys, opinions?

don’t attack me for this either, it’s not meant to be a provoking post.

I’m exhausted so this is probably not going to make any sense.

(also saying this when I see a post about morality, I will still argue back about morality so this is probably quite hypocritical but i dunno, it’s a big factor isn’t it, can’t be helped!)

The pro life vs pro choice war will never truly be resolved

fuckyeahchoice:

thecheekyyone:

So you just have to learn to agree to disagree and move on.

No sense arguing over it.

Because obviously everyone is set in their own opinions.

Just like all the oppressive ‘differences’ of the past, right? 

I wouldn’t care about your opinions or ‘views’ if they were about you and YOUR life and body and not mine. 

“hey I want to take away your rights but you know, get over it, learn to disagree and move on! There’s no sense arguing about it”

no. 

If someone wants to take away you’re rights, you’ve got a damn good reason to argue about it.

Dear Every Anti-Choicer Who Keeps Comparing The Holocaust to Abortion

daskannnichtsein:

40.2% OF JEWISH OB/GYNS ARE TOTALLY OKAY WITH PROVIDING ABORTIONS.

THEY COMPRISE THE LARGEST RELIGIOUS GROUP WILLING TO OFFER ABORTIONS.

Here are a couple of comments, from Shakesville, explaining this amazing thing from various Jews (including my older sister):

Another important point about Jewish doctors and abortions is that Ashkenazic Jews (the ethnic/social group which has pretty much the largest influence on orthodox Judaism in America) are relatively common carriers of the recessive gene for Tay-Sachs disease, which is generally fatal when expressed. As I recall from family discussions, it was possible to reliably test unborn fetuses for Tay-Sachs before it was easy to test prospective parents as carriers, and it was generally considered better to terminate an unborn fetus rather than subject a living child to death by Tay-Sachs - so once the testing was feasible in the 1970s or so, it became quite well understood among the Ashkenazim that abortion was something which was frequently a practical necessity for reasons the parents might not want to talk about.

Not surprised. Abortion is allowed in Judaism, even in the Orthodox branch. However, the level of permissibility varies, depending on your flavor of Jewish. The Orthodox allow abortions in situations where the mother’s physical, mental, or emotional health is in danger. For example, some women are at risk of dying during birth. If that is so, they are practically obligated to do the abortion. Sometimes, women will go batshit crazy because the baby was a product of rape or incest or the mom is just unstable. If she is in such a condition where it is very possible she may kill the baby, herself, or both, then an abortion is allowed then, too. The reason this is so is because the mother’s life is considered a “complete” life. Even though fetuses’ lives are also important, they are only potential. The mother’s life overrides that of her fetus. In addition, when the mother is in danger of dying, the fetus is considered a pursuer, and just as anyone pursues you to take your life, you can turn around and take theirs. Given that this attitude exists even in the religious circles, I’m not surprised to see that a great majority of abortion doctors are Jewish nor that Jewish doctors are willing to do abortions.

(Source: uncle-anwar)

My two cents on abortion

freedomfororcas:

Haha, it was gonna happen sooner or later. I see so many blogs on abortion, that I felt the need to contribute my two cents. Feel free to pick apart as you please.

So lets get the first thing over with; yes I am pro-choice.

A lot of people associate this word with so many negative connotations though. Just because I am pro-choice does not mean I am pro-killing babies, or heck, ‘pro-abortion’. I believe everyone should have the freedom to choose what they believe is best for themselves. Because, at the end of the day, nobody knows YOU better than YOU. That protester outside the clinic? Do they know you, or understand what you’ve been through? No way.
I believe that everyone should be allowed to choose what is right for themselves, and their bodies.

Now, for my reasoning…
So many people apply human traits to foetuses. They personify them. If you disagree with what I am saying, I must ask the question - what makes us human?
We are self-aware.
We feel pain, and emotions.
We have memories.
We have a consciousness
A foetus has none of these things. In fact, in the early stages, a foetus is merely a collection of cells. I am not trying to simplify pregnancy, or childbirth, however, you cannot call it something that it has not developed into yet.

I believe it goes against the greater needs of society to force a woman to go through a pregnancy that she feels she cannot carry to term. A woman must endure huge risks and pain, all before she is even ready to give birth. It is not your place to interfere with another’s body. It is not your place to tell someone what to do. These are the values I was brought up with, and I stand by them.

My stance could be described as “Live and let live”. You make your choices for your own life, by your own morals. Let me choose mine.

Oh, and one more thing.
I don’t understand how pro-lifers contradict themselves so much. For example:
”Abortion is bad”
- Okay, I get that you don’t support abortion. Fine, moving along….
”Even though contraception is a safe and very useful way of decreasing abortion, we don’t support that either!”
- Wait, what? Um…. are you serious? Well. As much as I disagree with that, fine, that’s your decision. But contraception is readily available anyway, so nyer.
”Oh, and also, if you don’t want a baby, don’t have sex.”
- Um, bitch, please. Sex is a basic human instinct. Don’t tell me what to do. And besides, you cannot possibly have everything you want. Not everyone wants to live in your perfect, frigid and chaste little society. 

Nuff said. GTFO.

Dear Every Anti-Choicer Who Keeps Comparing The Holocaust to Abortion

daskannnichtsein:

40.2% OF JEWISH OB/GYNS ARE TOTALLY OKAY WITH PROVIDING ABORTIONS.

THEY COMPRISE THE LARGEST RELIGIOUS GROUP WILLING TO OFFER ABORTIONS.

Here are a couple of comments, from Shakesville, explaining this amazing thing from various Jews (including my older sister):

Another important point about Jewish doctors and abortions is that Ashkenazic Jews (the ethnic/social group which has pretty much the largest influence on orthodox Judaism in America) are relatively common carriers of the recessive gene for Tay-Sachs disease, which is generally fatal when expressed. As I recall from family discussions, it was possible to reliably test unborn fetuses for Tay-Sachs before it was easy to test prospective parents as carriers, and it was generally considered better to terminate an unborn fetus rather than subject a living child to death by Tay-Sachs - so once the testing was feasible in the 1970s or so, it became quite well understood among the Ashkenazim that abortion was something which was frequently a practical necessity for reasons the parents might not want to talk about.

Not surprised. Abortion is allowed in Judaism, even in the Orthodox branch. However, the level of permissibility varies, depending on your flavor of Jewish. The Orthodox allow abortions in situations where the mother’s physical, mental, or emotional health is in danger. For example, some women are at risk of dying during birth. If that is so, they are practically obligated to do the abortion. Sometimes, women will go batshit crazy because the baby was a product of rape or incest or the mom is just unstable. If she is in such a condition where it is very possible she may kill the baby, herself, or both, then an abortion is allowed then, too. The reason this is so is because the mother’s life is considered a “complete” life. Even though fetuses’ lives are also important, they are only potential. The mother’s life overrides that of her fetus. In addition, when the mother is in danger of dying, the fetus is considered a pursuer, and just as anyone pursues you to take your life, you can turn around and take theirs. Given that this attitude exists even in the religious circles, I’m not surprised to see that a great majority of abortion doctors are Jewish nor that Jewish doctors are willing to do abortions.

(Source: uncle-anwar)