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I Sauntered Vaguely Downwards: [TW dicussion of rape culture]Do you know what, after some introspection I finally figured out what my problem is with…

elevatorcore:

I always wondered why I get a massive headache whenever I read a feminist post and get all bent out of shape.

And I think I finally figured it out. It’s not the goals of feminists that bother me, it’s their solutions. Like I’ve never seen any feminists outright say what their…

You are the one that is over simplifying things. For one thing, you’re argument is already founded on an unproven statement that rape jokes cause people to rape or cause other people to be apathetic towards rape. I don’t see you providing any studies or statistics (as if this is something that could be studied) but from my personal experience rape jokes don’t cause people to be apathetic towards rape. I’ve gone to a high school were that was common place and I’m pretty sure that at least 95% of the high school think that rape is bad. I think, if anything rape jokes cause rape to be discussed more openly and the first step to solving a problem is discussing it in a mature and rational manor and not just simply spouting “RAEP IS EVULZ!!11one!!1” Second of all, the argument that rape jokes should be censored because it’s upsetting to people is not valid because the thing is a lot of things can trigger panic attacks/negative emotions in rape victims. My mother didn’t like going into churches because she was molested by a “prayer group leader” (read: potential cult leader) in one. Rape victims can be triggered by anything regardless of how unrelated it is to rape. Also, using your logic, we should ban clowns because some people have a phobia of clowns. Finally, while a single individual disagreeing with something on television is certainly not equivalent to government censorship, a special interest group that exerts a large amount of influence calling for an advertising boycott (or other highly intimidating forms of coercion) in a way kind of is because to a certain extent that group becomes it’s own sort of governing body. A better way of dealing with rape jokes is to simply not watch shows/movies/etc. that make rape jokes. Finally, at first you say that the government doesn’t have the right to restrict someones speech but then you say that people don’t have the right to tell rape jokes and rights are given by the government so you are essentially contradicting yourself there.

Wow.
You complain that there are no statistics on rape culture, and then pull a statistic about the opinions of people in your school out of your ass. Hilarious!
So, because survivors can be triggered by a lot of things, including rape jokes, it doesn’t make sense to not tell rape jokes. I can’t believe you just said that.

the argument that rape jokes should be censored because it’s upsetting to people is not valid

holy shit. Censorship =/= basic human decency.

I think, if anything rape jokes cause rape to be discussed more openly

How? By causing survivors/allies/advocates to expend their valuable time and energy explaining why using rape as a “joke” or a convenient metaphor for things in no way related to sexual assault is a) unacceptable and b) not fucking funny?
Having the right to say something doesn’t mean you should say it. Radical concept, I know. A better way of dealing with rape jokes is NOT to just “simply not watch shows/movies/etc. that make rape jokes.” It’s not like we are magically imbued with some kind of “rape-dar” that allows us to avoid every imaginable trigger in our lives. Why should the onus be on survivors to avoid people who trivialize rape? It shouldn’t be happening in the first place.

Bottom line: trivializing rape is FUCKED UP and HURTFUL and DISGUSTING and no decent human being should be doing it. Was that clear enough? Not too many syllables I hope?
Since you seem to be confused on this point (among others): In addition to individual social justice bloggers & activists there are also many organizations that work to combat rape culture. Here is one link. You’re welcome!

Men Can Stop Rape: Creating Cultures Free From Violence

Men Can Stop Rape is an international organization that mobilizes men to use their strength for creating cultures free from violence, especially men’s violence against women. MCSR provides agencies, schools, and organizations with direct services for youth, public service messaging, and leadership training. 

In contrast to traditional efforts that address men as the problem, Men Can Stop Rape’s pioneering work embraces men as vital allies with the will and character to make healthy choices and foster safe, equitable relationships. Our education programs, public awareness messaging, and leadership training together constitute a unified and comprehensive campaign that has been launched in states and cities around the country.

This commentary from DLH is epic. And congrats to Elevatorcore for the classic ‘It’s censorship to expect me to be considerate instead of an ignorant, entitled asshole, stop criticizing me!’

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